The Facts; Lets End The Argument

While looking for source material on the subject, I came across this article from USA Today by Alan Gomez. It is such a well written piece I decided to post it here, it is far better then anything I could write and he says pretty much what I wanted to say.(USA Today, Alan Gomez, July 16, 2015)

HOW VIOLENT ARE UNDOCUMENT IMMIGRANTS?

MIAMI — The war over illegal immigration in this country is too often waged via hyperbole.

Undocumented immigrants who are valedictorians of their high schools classes are held up against those who are members of brutal street gangs. Undocumented immigrants either help local economies flourish or bleed them dry. They're either hard-working, law-abiding members of society simply trying to improve their lot in life, or job-stealing opportunists who are holding Americans back.

After years of covering immigration, I've found only one absolute certainty: the truth always lies somewhere in the middle. And so is the case with the latest battle that started with Donald Trump's reaction to the murder of Kathryn Steinle, allegedly killed by an undocumented immigrant in San Francisco.

Trump, the billionaire Republican presidential hopeful, has used that killing as proof that he has been right all along about undocumented immigrants, that they bring with them a level of criminality far higher than native-born Americans. Immigration advocates have fought back, arguing that this was an isolated instance far from representative of the entire population of 11 million undocumented immigrants.

So who's right? Let's look at their numbers.

Supporters of the Trump theory have been pointing to data from the U.S. Sentencing Commission that found undocumented immigrants account for disturbingly high levels of violent crime. While they represent just 3.5% of the U.S. population, undocumented immigrants represented 7% of federal prison sentences following convictions on charges of sexual abuse, 9% of murders, 12% of assaults and 30% of kidnappings in 2013.

Case closed, right? Far from it.

Only a tiny percentage of the nation’s violent crimes are handled by the federal court system. Yes, undocumented immigrants accounted for 9.2% of federal murder convictions in 2013, but that represents a grand total of eight murder cases. When you consider that the FBI estimates there were 14,196 murders in the U.S. in 2013, those few cases handled by the federal court system don’t quite register as a reliable sample set.

The same goes for the other violent crimes cited in those statistics. Add the fact that undocumented immigrants are far more likely to be caught up in the federal court system because of non-violent immigration violations, and the numbers shouldn't mean much.

But when updated data for 2014 were released last week, largely mirroring the previous year's figures, many pounced on them as proof of rampant crime by undocumented immigrants. Rep. Mo Brooks, R-Ala., cited the data in a column last week, and the numbers received prominent coverage by conservative outlets such as Breitbart.

On the other side, many immigration advocates have been pointing to a report also released last week by the American Immigration Council. That study used different kinds of data that led to the same conclusion, that undocumented immigrants commit violent crimes at a far lower rate than native-born Americans.

First there's the big picture. From 1990 to 2013, the number of undocumented immigrants in the country tripled from 3.5 million to 11.2 million. Yet during that time, violent crime rates dropped 48% nationwide, according to the report. Since undocumented immigrants make up such a small percentage of the population, it's impossible to draw a straight conclusion from those numbers, so let's see what else they've got..

The authors also looked at incarceration rates for males between 18 and 39, since most crimes are committed by males in that age range. Using data from the 2010 Census, the report found that 1.6% of foreign-born males are in jail, compared with 3.3% of the native-born population. Researchers have long questioned the accuracy of Census data for prisoners, since the information they get from inmates is often incomplete, and immigrants could lie out of fear of being deported. But the authors found similar trends going back to 1980, so that helps bolster their case.

Finally, the authors tried to isolate undocumented immigrants through a variety of narrow studies conducted in recent decades. In each case, they found evidence to show that undocumented immigrants were less likely to commit violent crimes than their native-born neighbors.

So where does that leave us?

The reporter in me wishes there was a more definitive way of comparing crime rates for undocumented immigrants and the American-born population. But using the data we have, it seems impossible to responsibly claim that those immigrants are more likely to commit crimes than their American-born neighbors.

Don't trust me? How about the Center for Immigration Studies, which opposes any kind of plan to grant legal status to undocumented immigrants and regularly testifies in Congress against them.

"There's no evidence that immigrants are either more or less likely to commit crimes than anyone else in the population," Janice Kephart, a CIS researcher, said last weekon the PBS NewsHour.

In the world of the immigration debate, that's as definitive as it gets.

Hmmm...so then....people are people, whomever they are? What a novel idea.

Really?

I have been approached by a few people regarding my blog post on Donald Trump. In it, I give examples of how he has flip-flopped from leaning left, then racing to the right, and now sneaking back over towards the left again. My reasoning behind this was to point out what a phony he is by pretending to be ultra conservative when his record reflects otherwise.

I tried very hard while writing the piece not to become angry and start sniping at conservatives. The louder you yell an opposing opinion at someone the more they dig their heels in.  Besides, politics has now become a personal issue for people; criticize their party and you may as well have insulted their mother. Instead of respectfully listening to the other side, or even having a knock down drag out but emerge as friends because “it was only a discussion”, we approach each other like we are mortal enemies, that our very humanity is being questioned by the other person. It used to be that everyone, elected official or common citizen, wanted the same thing; the correct way to make our country a better place. The differences between the parties were in how problems were solved, a difference in priorities, but not this extreme hatred we have for each other right now. My grandfather was a conservative Republican who was also a lobbyist for a major power company yet he and JF Kennedy co-authored several bills together.  There is no way you will see that kind of cooperation in today’s political climate. The Republicans unashamedly said that they would go against the Democrats, even if it is something they too want. This is not governing; this is using the average Joe as a chess piece in their play for power.

The media grabbed this trend and ran with it, fueling flames and creating bad blood using nothing but tone and innuendo at first, and now out and out lies and, even when called on, gain more followers from it because the “out to get us” paranoia is rampant. All of this has created a toxic climate for this country. Friends and family are fighting each other over ideologies with the ferocity of gladiators. What is even  more disheartening  is that we all know of people who lost their relationship with a friend or even a family member  over  ideologies that in reality do not affect them at all. It’s almost as if we are in a civil war right now.

My point  is this; because I wrote a piece on Trump (who embodies everything I despise ) without becoming hysterical, without insulting him, without drinking my own liberal Kool-Aid that makes us as hateful as the conservatives, it  is assumed by some that I would vote for him even though my friends and family should know me well enough to know that would never happen.  I was being civil not only because that is the way of continued sanity, but if you want someone to listen to you and maybe consider assimilating new ideas, you do not yell, belittle or insult them. My intent for that post was to calmly state facts that would illustrate that this man is a phony who is playing to those that adore him. He saw an opening and filled it. He is crafty.

Apparently, if you are not with us(liberals) by being angry all the time over politics you are against us.

Apparently if I do not pop a vein  in anger over the opposition I am with the opposition.

Its looking more and more like civilized discussion is a dying art. I was simply trying to discredit Trump in rational way so no one could come back and call my a hysterical liberal but apparently by doing that I am getting my liberal card revoked.